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Mikala Jamison's avatar

Ok, there is a LOT here that I can't dive into bit by bit, so I'm going to go after the main thing that gives me pause. You say that being fat is a choice for the overwhelming majority of people; that puts you at odds with the world's top obesity researchers, as you'll read here: nytimes.com/2022/11/21/opinion/obesity-cause.html

"As long as we treat obesity as a personal responsibility issue, its prevalence is unlikely to decline," they say.

Obesity rates began to surge in the 1980s -- is your feeling that a bunch more Americans collectively decided to choose to be fatter at that time? Or is it more likely that environment became more obesogenic? Look at this article, which shows that people who eat and exercise the same amount as people 30 years ago are still fatter now: theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/09/why-it-was-easier-to-be-skinny-in-the-1980s/407974/

Consider a kid in West Virginia (the U.S. state with the highest obesity rate): Everyone in their family has obesity, they live in a rural area/food dessert with limited or no access to fitness spaces, they get basically zilch nutritional education in school, no one talks to them about healthy foods or exercise. They grow up heavy and have to fight against those genetics, that appetite, that environment, that lack of knowledge and support. None of this is their choice.

They could, in an ideal world, make choices to the best of their ability to live differently than this, yes, but I really think you're discounting too much the human reality that it is incredibly, insanely difficult to have success with this when basically everything is against you. People can't just ask for help "from doctors, friends, spouses" if they don't have health insurance (and even if they did, most primary care physicians' weight loss advice is a fucking joke; they tell you to "eat healthy and exercise" without giving you any specifics. This means absolutely nothing to a fat kid who's never encountered any such advice before, ask me how I know) and their friends and spouse are also living the same lifestyle in the same conditions.

The reason I personally had success with weight loss years ago is that basically nothing was against me. If someone was living the same life I was when I started changing things, and they said they couldn't, I'd raise an eyebrow. All this shit is simple when you have time, money, knowledge, proximity to resources, support, and an interest in food/exercise from the outset, which not a lot of people do, actually (I'm an exercise adherent because I actually find exercise interesting. Most people ... do not). But if you're that West Virginia kid in those circumstances, even as someone who made a bunch of choices to get myself out of a bad health situation, I would never tell you that your fatness was your choice. I just cannot see it that way.

For me this isn't a matter of whether people theoretically *could* personal-choice themselves out of being fat, it's a matter of how much people who don't have experience with obesity underestimate just how *nearly impossible* it is for a lot of people to do that given their life circumstances, environment, and genetics.

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FreedomThroughVitality's avatar

Completely agree! Especially on fat shaming, the argument some people make is that it helps "some" obese by pushing them in the right direction, and even if it may be possible that some benefited from a hostile environment towards obesity, I think the vast majority of people are truly hurt by this and that a more supportive approach would be much better!

A lot of details in this article, it was a pleasure to read!

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